the chattering classes = οι δημοσιολογούντες

[nickel]

Ωραία ερώτηση που είδα σε άλλο φόρουμ.

The chattering classes is a generally derogatory term first coined by Auberon Waugh often used by pundits and political commentators to refer to a politically active, socially concerned and highly educated section of the "metropolitan middle class," especially those with political, media, and academic connections. It is sometimes used to refer to a liberal elite, but its first use by British right wing polemicist Frank Johnson in 1980 appeared to include a wider range of pundits. Indeed, the term is used by people all across the political spectrum to refer to the journalists and political operatives who see themselves as the arbiters of conventional wisdom. As such, the notion of 'chattering classes' can be seen as an antonym to the older idea of an unrepresented Silent Majority (made famous by the U.S. Republican President Richard Nixon).

In the United States, the term has come to be used by both the right and left-wings to describe political opponents, with Stephen Perrault of the Merriam-Webster dictionary suggesting that the term has "connotations of idleness, of useless talk, that the noun 'chatter' does. [...] These people don't amount to much — they like to hear themselves talk."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattering_classes​

the chattering classes
British derogatory intellectual or artistic people considered as a social group given to the expression of liberal opinions:the politically correct voice of the chattering classes
http://english.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chatter#m_en_gb0139760.009​

Προτάσεις;

Για ξεκίνημα:
Οι γλωσσοκοπάνες του δημόσιου βίου

Θα λέγατε «φαφλατάδες»;
«Τα δημοσιογραφικά πηγαδάκια»;

 

[azimuthios]

Φανφαρόνοι;

 

[drsiebenmal]

Μπορεί να παίζουν, επίσης, οι πολυλογάδες και οι ξερόλες της κοινωνίας και (μάλλον σκωπτικά) οι θαμώνες των πρωινάδικων, αλλά δεν νομίζω ότι αποδίδουμε με ακρίβεια ιδίως τον δεύτερο ορισμό: a social group given to the expression of liberal opinions:the politically correct voice of the chattering classes

 

[Palavra]

Ίσως «πολιτικά πηγαδάκια», αντί για «δημοσιογραφικά». Αν και θα προτιμούσα κάτι σε «οι κερκίδες της πολιτικής», «οι θαμώνες των πολιτικών καφενείων», κάτι τέτοιο.

 

[nickel]

Το αγαπημένο μου λεξικό (το ODE) έχει επιλογή, όταν περνάς το δείκτη πάνω από μια σημασία, να σου δείξει κι άλλα παραδείγματα από το σώμα που έχουν χρησιμοποιήσει. Σύγχρονα παραδείγματα, μια και δεν είναι ιστορικό λεξικό σαν το OED. Σ' αυτή την περίπτωση περιλαμβάνει τα εξής:

• The west Midlands campaign, limited so far to the Birmingham elite and chattering classes, has been partly fuelled by a sense that north Wales is doing well out of devolution.
• But maybe class is not an issue for them because they are both now so firmly part of that powerful caste, the chattering classes.
• This preoccupation with what the neighbours think is a classic example of the middle class morality that the chattering classes claim to despise.
• Not a cosy coterie of the chattering classes, but people who represent a broad spectrum of opinion.
• Some call them the chattering classes, I call them the middle class in denial.
• Speaking in his shiny new office, Kehoe says he is confident that the chattering classes of Dublin will be ‘knocked sideways’ by the strength of his party's showing.
• Generally most of us don't think much of the chattering classes because we remember them as runny nose kids who couldn't find the right end of the broom when something practical like sweeping the steps had to be done.
• Janacek had been ignored throughout his life by the Prague chattering classes as a country hick and no more than a workmanlike composer, and they weren't going to change their minds after one triumph.
• The properties have certainly been designed with the chattering classes in mind - practically every single room in every property is an exercise in name-dropping.
• Now what would otherwise have been a uninviting troglodytic restaurant is transformed into what promises to become a popular meeting place for the city's chattering classes.

 

[drsiebenmal]

Οι αναλυτές του Κολωνακίου
Οι αμπελοφιλόσοφοι της πολιτικής

 

[nickel]

Οι αιωνίως πολιτικολογούντες
(Αντί για «αιωνίως»: αενάως, αδιάκοπα, ακατάσχετα)


Προσθήκη (βάσει του παραπάνω):
Οι αναλυτές του καναπέ
(Το Κολωνάκι είναι λίγο περιορισμένο γεωγραφικά.)

 

[drsiebenmal]

(Το Κολωνάκι είναι λίγο περιορισμένο γεωγραφικά.)

Ορίστε; Δεν είναι ο νέος ομφαλός της Γης;

 

[SBE]

Ξέρω ότι θα διαφωνήσουν κάποιοι, αλλά η λέξη "αριστεροδιανοούμενος" ήταν η πρώτη που σκέφτηκα διαβάζοντας την περιγραφή. Τη λέξη την έχω ακούσει συχνά υποτιμητικά για να περιγράψει τον ακραίο πολιτικά ορθό σχολιαστή παντός επιστητού, που έχει και μια δόση έπαρσης ότι έχει επιρροή στον δημόσιο διάλογο.

 

[nickel]

Οι αργόσχολοι σχολιαστές του δημόσιου βίου / της επικαιρότητας
(έχει και δόση παρήχησης)

 

[nickel]

Λοιπόν, κατέθεσα την πρότασή μου: δημοσιολογούντες.

 

[dharvatis]

Καλό. Επίσης, σε αντιδιαστολή με τη "σιωπηλή πλειοψηφία", η θορυβούσα μειοψηφία.

 

[Themis†]

Πολύ καλό το δημοσιολογούντες. Είχα σκεφτεί τους δημοσιολαλίστατους.

 

[nickel]

Έχει ενδιαφέρον ότι, ενώ το δημοσιολογούντες είναι εξαιρετικά διαδεδομένο, η λεξικογραφική τεκμηρίωση είναι φτωχή. Το ΛΚΝ έχει μόνο μία σημασία, την πρώτη του ΛΝΕΓ.

δημοσιολογία (η) [1862] (χωρ. πληθ.} 1. ΝΟΜ. η επιστημονική μελέτη και ενασχόληση με το Δημόσιο Δίκαιο και γενικότ. με τα πολιτικά και κοινωνικά προβλήματα 2. λόγος για τα δημόσια πράγματα. — δημοσιολόγος (ο/η) [1836], δημοσιολογικός, -ή, -ό [1891], δημοσιολογώ ρ. [1844] {-είς...} (σημ. 2).

Σύμφωνα με τη Συναγωγή του Κουμανούδη, οι δημοσιολογούντες πρωτοεμφανίζονται σε Πρωία του 1897.

 

[rogne]

Θυμάμαι έντονα, αλλά δεν θυμάμαι καθόλου από πού, ότι κάποτε γινόταν λόγος για "φλύαρες τάξεις". Πιθανόν να είχε εμμονή με τον όρο κάποιος καθηγητής μου στο πανεπιστήμιο ή κάτι τέτοιο, και απλώς να μου έχει μείνει εμένα η εντύπωση ότι η φράση είναι καθιερωμένη, γιατί στο νετ οι σχετικές αναφορές είναι ακριβώς δύο (2). Ο Δημ. Μητρόπουλος, που χρησιμοποιεί τη φράση σε ένα φύλλο των Νέων από το μακρινό 2006 (επισυνάπτεται), δεν αποκλείεται να μεταφράζει στα ελληνικά τη (ή μία) γαλλική απόδοση του αγγλικού όρου, classes bavardes. Πρόχειρα όλα αυτά...

 

[nickel]

Ωραία. Μια και του δίνουμε και καταλαβαίνει, καταθέτω από πηγές:


chattering classes A collective term for journalists, critics, pundits, "talking heads," and other members of the liberal intelligentsia, regarded dismissively as talkers rather than doers.
"When, just a week ago, Barack Obama [Democratic Senator from Illinois] showed a bit of ankle and declared the mere possibility of his running for the presidency, the chattering classes swooned," conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer wrote in The Washington Post in October of 2006.
The singular class may also be employed. Earlier in 2006, when President George W. Bush changed chiefs of staff, the Post reported that while the president "has by no means changed his view of what he derisively calls the ‘chattering class,’ the shift showed that he was paying attention to it."
The precise composition of the chattering classes varies according to the observer. Lawrence O’Donnell, executive producer of the TV series The West Wing and onetime Democratic Senate staff aide, told Anne Kornblut of The New York Times in 2006 that many people in government "secretly belong to the chattering classes.... When there’s a change in personnel in the White House, no one talks about it more than the people working in the White House."
The reporter also sought the views of a pair labeled widely as a political "odd couple," Democratic strategist James Carville and his wife, Mary Matalin, a GOP adviser. When Carville began defining the chattering classes in a telephone interview as "A loose confederation of journalists, ex-government officials, attorneys," his wife shouted in the background: "And people who have never done it!" Matalin added CCCW for the Chattering Classes’ Conventional Wisdom. "Where the chattering classes get dangerous is when something becomes an article of faith among the CCCW. Then it becomes static and immutable and absolutely detached from reality," she said.
The chattering classes are also known as the Gang of500, a term coined by Mark Halperin, political director of ABC News and founder of its website’s daily political tip sheet, "The Note." Explaining his editorial approach, Halperin told The New Yorker in 2004: "We try to channel what the chattering class is chattering about, and to capture the sensibility, ethos, and rituals of the Gang of 500, which still largely sets the political agenda for the country."
Chattering classes—a play upon working classes—is inherently derogatory because of its associations with idle chatter, chit- ter chatter, and chatterbox. The implication is that the chatter of the classes makes as much sense as that of birds or children. Chatter also acquires some additional spin as an attack term from its parallel in sound and sense with natter.
The term is a British import. Aubrey Watkins of The Observer, who popularized chattering classes in the 1980s, attributed the phrase in a 1989 article in The Guardian to Frank Johnson, another journalist, who coined it during a conversation with Watkins when the two lived in neighboring apartments. The earliest example in the OED is from a piece by Johnson in the March 21,1980, issue of Now!: "The peculiar need for something to be frightened about only seems to affect those of us who are part of the chattering classes." Reporting in 1986 from Blackpool, England, Joseph Lelyveld, of The New York Times, noted that "Political commentators and supposed insiders [are] sometimes referred to in Britain as ‘the chattering classes.’"
Safire's Political Dictionary

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▸ chattering classes n. (occas. also in sing. chattering class) freq. derogatory members of the educated metropolitan middle class, esp. those in academic, artistic, or media circles, considered as a social group freely given to the articulate, self-assured expression of (esp. liberal) opinions about society, culture, and current events.

   1980F. Johnson in Now! 21 Mar. 48/1 The peculiar need for something to be frightened about only seems to affect those of us who are part of the *chattering classes.    1990 R. Crichfield Among British vii. 457 The old Britain of Eton, Oxbridge, the land, and the Guards, allied with a chattering class of literary intellectuals, so invaluable when it came to running an empire, is deadly when it comes to bringing the country into the 1990s.    1994 Daily Mail 18 July 8/2 A battle between Middle England—the sensible heart of the British middle classes—and Islington Person, the politically correct voice of the chattering classes.    2000 Sunday Times (Johannesburg) 4 June (Mag.) 6/1 For a day or two, the chattering classes were treated to speculation about government intervention.
(OED)

 

[nickel]

Του Μητρόπουλου το φλύαρες τάξεις μεταφράζει το γαλλικό. Όσοι μεταφράζουν το αγγλικό λένε φλυαρούσες τάξεις.
http://www.google.gr/search?gcx=w&ix=c1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q="φλυαρούσες+τάξεις"
http://www.protagon.gr/?i=protagon.el.article&id=8877

 

[rogne]

Του Μητρόπουλου το φλύαρες τάξεις μεταφράζει το γαλλικό. Όσοι μεταφράζουν το αγγλικό λένε φλυαρούσες τάξεις.
http://www.google.gr/search?gcx=w&ix=c1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q="φλυαρούσες+τάξεις"
http://www.protagon.gr/?i=protagon.el.article&id=8877

Κι αυτό σπανιότατο πάντως (είναι και λίγο αστείο, άλλωστε). Μίντζηρας-Μητρόπουλος 1-1: σαν να μην έγινε ποτέ το ματς... Συμφωνώ ότι το "δημοσιολογούντες" είναι πολύ καλύτερο για ευρεία χρήση.

 

[Earion]

Οι παπαρδέλες του δημόσιου βίου / του προσκηνίου